An evening Online with Frank Naea - January 24, 2024

Frank Naea: 0:00

Oh no, it's been good just seeing some faces on there. It's been really wonderful seeing Arlene and Lutz. When we first came, you were the guys that were part of the team. You could just see some islanders there, erin, and where are you? Yep, there you are and let's see. Oh, I see I'm on the wrong page, that's why. No, it's just good to see some familiar faces. And it was Mary Ann. That's there she is. She's turned away. You know, she's turned the camera off. There she is, hey, mary Ann. Mary Ann and I used to go to school together. It was the INS, but you know it's still. We went to school together.

Frank Naea: 1:06

In fact, I think that's probably what my journey in this whole revelation has been. It's been about going to school again. There's a wonderful passage in that. I didn't really think was that wonderful when I first read it, but it's in 1 Corinthians 8. It says if any man thinks he knows, let him understand this, that he does not yet know as he ought to know. And I just thought oh, I know it's in there, I know it's part of the whole book, but it's just that you know. For a long time when I read it, it didn't apply to me, because it was just one of those other verses, until you come into this revelation, you see, and then it wholly applies to me. So this has been it's really been a journey of not just learning but unlearning. And so, after 30 years in youth, with a mission and you know, and being a youth pastor before that and doing a number of other things, you have a groove, you have a way of seeing and doing, and so I realized that I'm still in that process of learning. They're father, you're still. You're still fathering me in some places where I didn't even know I need fathering.

Frank Naea: 2:42

One of my favorite passages of scripture it's, it's, it's really just a question, and it comes out of Genesis three and it says in Genesis three, verse 11, it's where it is. So who told you? Who told you? And I realized that I'm I'm absolutely filled up with so much stuff that I've been told by this one and that one, by by reading, by hearing messages, by being in schools and seminars and conferences, and so the question really was who told you? And of course, the second part of it was have you eaten from the tree? I told you not to eat from, and so that's where all the the unlearning has come, I realized that I've gorgeous myself on from another tree, and the unfortunate thing is that it's it has a wealth of fruit for you to partake of, but the fruit has this it has this taste, it has this phenomenon and that once you've eaten from it, it will begin to divide.

Frank Naea: 4:04

It creates two things. It creates an alternative, you know. So you begin to see everything in terms of light and dark, or good and bad, or right and wrong, or in and out, or up and down, and you realize that this whole revelation of the love of the Father actually is to, is to bring us back to the original tree, the tree of life that then marries everything together again, because in that tree, you see, in him, where everything is held together in the sun, there is no Jew or Greek, there is no slave or free, there is no male or female, see, but they're all one. And so that's what I've been discovering is really my, my journey of learning that things that have been split or divided or separated in me by way of my understanding and learning and accumulation of stuff over many, many years has caused me to have split perspectives and ideas of who, even who, god is, and so in the journey he's been marrying me, he's been marrying me back together again, and so it's. It's like that passage, you see, that says no longer will your land be unmarried, no longer will it be barren, no longer will it be separated or divorced, but I will call you chosen and beloved, and and so wholeness is when he comes and he takes the split or the divided things in you and marries them back to oneness.

Frank Naea: 6:02

So so the reason I wanted to start with that is because just recently, something I had never, ever considered was we were doing an A school in Melbourne just recently and and I had become used to over the last 10 years, having a, you know, sometimes, in fact, the school we went to in Canada, probably, the age range was probably 50, 50, half of the half of the school were 50, 60, 70 and the other half would have been 30, 40, some 20 year olds. But that was, that was a split button, but not necessarily the, the generation of response towards this particular revelation that most of them were older and age, older and ministry life, older and generational history, older and perspective. And so, because I'd been involved in youth with the mission, I thought I'm well, I'm, I'm fairly. You know you get like those people you hang around with. So I still heard on the side of I'm still younger, even though I'm a year old.

Frank Naea: 7:25

And so we were with the school in Melbourne and the very first day. You know we are, we have a core topics and and so I'm heading deliberately, intentionally, towards teaching on and speaking into heart forgiveness, but as I stood up that morning, first morning of this particular school, it just wasn't there in the classroom. I was desperately searching for it because that's that's the groove for the school, but it wasn't there. And but as I looked around the room, probably two thirds to three quarters of the room were 30 or less and totally focused, totally there. But the other thing that was there in the room was pain, hurt, suffering, and you could almost hear, you could almost feel in the room just the tangible nature of.

Frank Naea: 8:37

We don't want to hear any more verses or teaching or instruction. What we want to know is where do we take this stuff, where does it go? We don't want to hear descriptions of verses or stories about somebody. We just want to know is I have pain, where do I take it? Because as a generation, you see that same pain, that same stress, that same anxiety for them as a generation, has resulted in the culmination of life. So for them it's a very real question, you see.

Frank Naea: 9:18

And so, first session, we're having this little conversation. So what's what's happening in your hearts? And I just said so, we're going to have some of the team come and just stand at the front here If you want to come forward. We haven't taught anything. All we've done is an introduction the night before. Would you like to come? And more than half the school literally runs to the front. You know, we've heard about this, We've heard about this love of the Father, we've heard about this comfort. That's what we came for. And they just ran to the front. After that we had a break, taught the first session and at the end of the session said again if there's anything that Father is stirring and you have, the Spirit is stirring in your heart and you want to come forward, the team are going to be here Again, more than half of the school literally run to the front. We had soaking in the afternoon and then we had another session at night, and the same thing. If there's anybody and you have, because you can just feel it in the room, you know, would you, if you want to come forward, please come.

Frank Naea: 10:33

And so two things that I noticed. One was that the ladies in the team were the primary target. The rest of us guys, we may have had one or two people, and but the mothers were just, they, just they literally ran to them and they were in tears before they even got there. One girl really stood out to me. I know her family. They've been in ministry for probably more than 20 years and so this is their, this is their daughter. She came, she's now married, has a couple of children, but when she, when she came and wrapped her arms around this one of the ladies in the team, it was almost like a primal screen. This thing just came out of her and it felt to me like a generational crime and it was almost as though there it is, there it is. That's that I've been looking for, that, you see, I just I've. I've heard about the keys and the principles and the truths and the ABC and the five steps she said, but nobody has taken me to to meet, to encounter, to embrace the love of the father.

Frank Naea: 11:59

And so, you know, as a team, we were really were quite taken by surprise. Here we have three times that we've had responses in the first day and we haven't got to heart forgiveness here, which in every other school you see, is that's when you're beginning to price things open. And I realized that the schools before have, they have theological hurdles that you have to, that you, you're aware that you encounter because these people are 4050, 6070 and generationally see, they have an accumulation, just like me, of theological hurdles that you have to undo and unlearn before you can move ahead or move into or embrace. And, to my surprise, the first soaking instruction that we had was that afternoon on the first day. And again, we just go and if you have anything that you want to share, you know from what's Father saying to you.

Frank Naea: 13:12

And this one guy stood up and he was me. He was me 40 years ago, he was in his early 20s, he's a truck driver, he's a Pacific Islander, he's not long married, he's just had his first son, and that that was me 40 years ago. And one soaking session. And at the end of it he just stood up and he just, with all of the simplicity and naivety and innocence of somebody who's just begun the race, who's just stepped out onto the track, and he just, with this incredible, with big, bright, wide eyes, he just said I just realized something. He said I just realized that I'm free.

Frank Naea: 14:11

And I turned immediately to the guy that I was sitting next to and I said to him man, it took me 10 years to get to that and all of a sudden it's like this, it's this heart revelation. You see, that I have a perspective that faith and the application of it is incremental. It's line by line, it's precept upon precept, it's linear and it's logical, and so I am looking, even in the course of the school, to build this upon this, upon this, because that's how we understand it, you see. And all of a sudden I realized that this is not just a generational difference, it's that my understanding of faith is that faith, even when you apply it, is incremental. You see, when I first learned about living by faith, it was we have $10 faith, so then we can have $100 faith and then $1,000 faith and then million dollar faith, and that was the kind of language.

Frank Naea: 15:30

But in that moment the thing that occurred to me was the thief hanging on the cross next to Jesus can't afford to have incremental faith. It's either all true or it's not. It's a reality or it isn't. He doesn't have. You see, there are two things hanging there. And the one thief says well, it's all circumstantial, if you can just fix the circumstances, then I'm good to go. If you can just get me down from here, I got the rest. I can take care of the rest. I know how to do that.

Frank Naea: 16:13

But the other thief says to him in very in layman's terms, he says shut up, you have no idea who it is that you're speaking to. We're here because we deserve to be here. He is not. You don't know who he is. And he has this conversation with Jesus. He said, and he says Jesus, would you remember me when you come into your kingdom? Would you remember me?

Frank Naea: 16:48

And some translations say this and it's that. And it says, it's just a short few words. It says in Jesus turned his head. You have to remember the context of him turning his head is after he's been beaten, after he's been crucified, after he's been whipped and spat on and humiliated, after he's been stripped naked, after he's endured all of these things, after a bare raw flesh has been laid down on roughsorn timber. You know, as I 53 says, that he didn't even look like human flesh. It looked like a carcass hanging on a stick and I am struck by this. Jesus turns his head, but he turns his head because this man is expressing the true nature of faith.

Frank Naea: 17:55

When you come into your kingdom, remember me, this 23 year old truck driver stands up on day one. He's, he's been in, in, in this revelation, if you want to say that way for 10 minutes and out of his mouth comes, just realized I'm free and I just thought, hey, I know this is not a sprint, but I'm fairly sure that there are some hurdles in the race and I don't see you jumping over them. How come you just go like that? And and I really felt like a father was challenging me he says you know, frank, your, even your concept of faith is that it's learned, that it's incremental, that it's step by step. But he said you're not hearing what I'm saying.

Frank Naea: 19:03

You can see, because for a long time this word has applied to us, and that is today. If you hear my voice and how to, not your heart. You see it's, it's immediate. He says it's, it's according to your faith, your heart's belief in who I am and who you're seeing and who is. You know this girl who comes and just wraps her arms around one of the teams, there is a primal scream and she said this this is it, and she lets it all go. I don't know how many years she's been carrying that, but you see, there's a, there's a hunger out there and it's not just generational, it has to do with. It's a revelation in terms of even understanding and seeing that the reason why this revelation is revelation is because it can be instantaneous. It's the nature of faith Today.

Frank Naea: 20:15

If you hear my voice and do this one thing, don't stop it from doing what it can do. Don't run it through the mill, don't run it through the processor, don't run it through the oh, what about that? And what about that? Don't run it through the cell phone. So and I realize that that's what it's he those are all my hurdles, but they're mine because it's part of the landscape of my generation. We've learned how to even exercise our faith that way.

Frank Naea: 21:00

But the father is saying unless you come, like a little boy, you see, without all the hurdles, without all the hindrances, without all the yes, but what about? It has not entered into the hearts of the minds of men the things that God has in store. God is not fathering us have a wonderful conversation with my daughter this morning and we were talking about. She said Dad, I feel like there's two people inside of me. One of them is trying to sort things out and understand and get the answer and the solution and cross the T's and dot the I's, and the other one is just absolutely falling in love. But because I've never known this one who's falling in love, I keep defaulting and deferring back to sorting things out. So then then I can fully immerse myself into the love.

Frank Naea: 21:58

And I said to her what I've heard one of my friends say, and that is it. All depends on whether you want to be fixed or whether you want to be loved, because the nature of love, it, covers a multitude of sins. It is the sufficient solution. It's why the primal scream is not looking for an explanation, it's looking to meet him face to face. We don't care about the explanation, let the explanation come. We just want to see him and touch him and have him touch us. And I have to tell you that, of all the schools that I've been involved with, this school was the hardest Because it went somewhere that required of me to stop thinking in terms of sequence and order. And you know it's just something there. You see that it has to be. Isn't it supposed to be? Line upon line and precept upon precept? Isn't that the way it's supposed to be? And that's the nature of the teaching and the instruction and the growing. And that may be happening to us in spirit, but in spirit, you see, it's an immediate thing. We are being translated into a different kingdom where the ground rules are not the same.

Frank Naea: 23:36

The love that, when my daughter was talking to me about this love, she just said, dad, I, just I was overwhelmed. It's as though Jesus came to me and he was loving me with such a pure love I, just I had, there was no resistance, there wasn't anything in me that was asking for well, what's? What verse goes with that? Can you tell me? Can you explain ABC? It's just, when love came, it just, everything else just faded away. And I said to her you know, it's not that God is wanting to make light of your journey or the issues or the struggle, it's just that love covers and it doesn't mean that it sweeps it under the rug. That's not what love does. Love hovers, restores, gives back fills, wraps itself around, it holds you while the old is fading away, while it is, it's released in this primal scream and sometimes they're just aren't words. You see, it's not.

Frank Naea: 24:59

We're not asking people to explain. There was a time in you, through the mission, when we would do that. We called it openness and brokenness, where the emphasis was on your turn. Stand at the front and go. This is me, this is my list, this is my stuff. But more and more you see what I'm.

Frank Naea: 25:19

What I'm seeing is that the love of God is coming and confronting our lists, whether we have one or not, whether it's that long or whether it's that long, isn't the point? It's, when love comes, it's breaking all of the other rules because it's not coming even. By the same way, it's not coming to explain. It's the reason why you can't teach people into the revelation of the Father's love. And that, for me, has been a hard thing to learn because, as Brandt said in the beginning, I have been teaching this for 25 years. I've been explaining it to people for 25 years. I've been trying to find a diagram or a sequence or an order or a formula or a principle or a process that will lead them there, that will help to take them there. But you know, when I get the testimonies from different people around the world, what was it that changed them? And nine times out of 10, you know, it's well. I can't remember what you taught that week, but I remember when you held me and I just think well, so what was all the rest? All the rest is really just. It's me and my journey. And don't you know, I'm not throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but in desperation, what this world is looking for is show me the money, show me this love, please, please. If you have to explain it or draw a diagram or something like that, if you have to take me through, if you have to jump over all these things, if there's, then I'm not sure that that's what I'm looking for, but you see, but they are grasping it.

Frank Naea: 27:23

The second day we have soaking again and you know, here's this young girl, asian, australian and she stands up. She said oh, I am. I just. I just was having a conversation as I was soaking. I was just talking with the father and I said to him oh, I would love to see the universe from your eyes. What, what, what is that all about? And he said to her Come on, then let's go. And she said, oh, but doesn't that happen after I die? Because, you see, that's what she's understood as the process? And and he said to her oh, what's wrong with now? And again she stands up and shares this with the classroom. And I turn to my friend and this time he says to me Well, if that's what you're getting in your first soaking time, she gets to. You know, look at the universe with the father. You see, I remember when we first started having these times, you know, I got, I got a warm feeling, I got a picture of a palm tree. You know, I got a verse, and not even the whole verse, just half of a verse.

Frank Naea: 28:53

She's encountering him and getting having this really simple, childlike discussion about oh, could we have a look at the universe? And and again, you see, I'm struck by yeah, but, father, what about the progressions, what about the sequence, what about the order, what about the way that that I have come, like this? And he said, yeah, no See, frank, this is not about you teaching them the way that you came. Testimony is good, it is about your story. But you see, what they're coming for is this incredible reality of encountering and meeting him face to face. The woman at the well has no idea who she's talking to until he says boo.

Frank Naea: 29:53

But after that everything changes. And if the eyes of your heart are open, you see, then, like I'm encountering with these young people, then today, in this moment, and today, is this reoccurring. Now, today, if you hear my voice, the sense that I had of it was then hold me to it. If you hear me say it, hold me to it, ask me again, so you know, I was sure that you said this then hold me to it. And and and. These guys are just, see, they're dumb enough, they're silly enough, they're naive enough, they're innocent enough to take him at his word.

Frank Naea: 30:53

I have to, you know, do a couple of laps around the Old Testament, run through the Gospels two or three times, and what about this, and what about that, and what about the other thing? And I'm realizing, you see, that even my concept of faith is just a concept. God has accommodated me because that's how I've understood him, until I met somebody else who understands him a totally different way. See, there's this incredible gift of grace, he says. You know, and we're all saved by this grace, which is a gift given to us and not by works, lest any man should boast.

Frank Naea: 31:44

But I was asked to go speak in the church in in Australia and they said, oh, we're having a sequence, you see. And I thought, oh, yes, I know the sequence. You know, our whole church is going through this book and then this chapter and that chapter, and so when you come, we're going to be up to chapter two and verses one to 10. But if you want, you can speak your own, do your own message. And, of course, everything inside of me is oh well, yeah, this is easy because I know this and I know what I think they should know. And so this is what I know. Well, I felt like the Father said to me do Ephesians two? So I had a quick read through before I said yes to the pastor.

Frank Naea: 32:30

And you know verse eight. Oh, there it is. You know by grace. So you say through faith and not of yourselves. That is the gift of God. And I just thought, yes, I know what I'm going to say.

Frank Naea: 32:43

The night before I said well, so far, there is anything that you, this, in particular in this and these verses that you want to say. And he said yes, and I said so what is it about verse eight that you want to say. And he said it's not verse eight, I want to. I want to talk about verse seven. So you just see I can get this and I just want to read it to you. So here we go, ephesians 2. And verse 7 says sorry.

Frank Naea: 33:43

Verse 8 says For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works list anyone should boast. Verse 7 says that in the ages to come, he might show the exceeding riches of his grace and his kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. And I said so in the ages to come, he might show us the exceeding riches of his grace. You mean verse 8. And he said no, he said, if you go back to verse 4, it says but God, who is rich in mercy, because of his great love, with which he loved us even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ. By grace you have been saved and raised us up together and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.

Frank Naea: 34:55

And he said, frank, two things. One is that there is more than one expression of grace. There is what we call a saving grace. There is a grace that has been the gift of God and Christ Jesus, who is this wonderful gift of grace to us and that has led us to salvation. But he said there is more grace. He said there is a grace that raises you up. And then there is another grace that seats you in heavenly places. And the nature of these graces is that they are not of yourself, lest any man should boast you know, having got in, it's okay, I can take it from here. You see, having got me down from across, having now that I'm not going to die forever and ever, I can take it from here. I've got it, you know. You see, there's a grace that will raise you up, there is a grace that will seat you in heavenly places. But you get there the same way, not of yourself.

Frank Naea: 36:03

And all of a sudden I realized I really don't understand this grace of verse eight at all, because I thought it was the grace. You know, it's kind of, and you just you stretch it to cover everything he says. He said no, this is the beginning, this is so that you will know how to partake of and how to walk in and how to live in and how to receive and how to dive into this grace, which doesn't come from you working harder. Having got saved, you don't now have to finish it off. You know, it's the and that's the whole message to the Galatians. You see, all foolish Galatians, having begun in the spirit, will you now complete it all in the flesh?

Frank Naea: 36:58

It was such a wonderful conversation with my daughter. Oh, dad, I, just when, when he came, and it was, it was like love, just I had no defense. He was so beautiful, he was so gentle and tender and kind and sweet and loving, and there was just nothing in me wanted to resist or hold back, and I almost had. I it's as though I had no recollection of the past. This love covered all of that and much, much, much, much more.

Frank Naea: 37:39

See, we had a little bit of a side conversation about warfare, you see, and we realized that in our conversation. We realized that if love is changing the nature of how we understand faith, it's also changing the nature of how we understand warfare. You see, we're not quickly put on some armor, grab a sword and let's go. You know, hack and slash. You see, there is a grace, there is a provision, there is a, there is an, an all sufficiency in this grace that not only has has redeemed you, has taken you from death to life. This love, this grace, this mercy, this completeness, this wholeness will actually raise you up. It will teach you how to stand, it will take you to that place of being capable. As I say, I think it's an Ephesians 3. It says every spiritual gift is prepared for us. You see, it's made ready for us to walk into. It's already there. We just haven't known the grace to appropriate it, but it's there.

Frank Naea: 39:04

And so I go to a school in Melbourne and here's a kid who he doesn't even read his Bible that much. His idea of quiet time with God is having a beer with him. That's literally his idea of relationship with God. So totally unreligious, totally unredeemed, totally not churched, totally. There are no hurdles there. He's just, very simply, I'm just a, I'm just a fisherman.

Frank Naea: 39:30

You know, I don't know any of these things. You know. In fact, the only way I'm going to know is if the father himself comes and reveals it to my heart. Then when I see it and when I receive it, I'm going to say yes, and the barrenness and the dryness and the thirst of not having found that, of not having seen that or experienced. That is going to be like a primal scream oh, let this old stuff get this old clothing off of me. I've sat under it, I've been under it for so long. I just need to meet him face to face.

Frank Naea: 40:20

But when he comes, you see, there is a grace that takes us from death to life. And then there is another grace that will raise you up. Sonship isn't, but I'm, you know I'm, I'm doing the best that I can do. The sunship is this revelation being poured into us and him, when love comes. And it covers that multitude of things from the past to see sort of sees in Romans. If sin can come into the world by one man, then righteousness can come by one man as well. So let the one cancel out the other. You see, it all depends on if you want to be fixed or if you want to be loved, and love does so much more than supersede. In fact, there is a grace that has been provided for us. It's been there in Ephesians two all this time, but I've just been, you know the verse eight. There it is. That's the bit that I've heard, that's the bit that I quote, that's the bit that I remember.

Frank Naea: 41:31

The only problem is is that it has made very limited and narrow the grace that I've even known that I could walk into, I could receive, I could partake on. You see, it's not by our own works, but it's a grace, it's a gift, and it's not just a gift that saves you from death to life and now you're on your own kid. This grace will raise you up. This is, this, is that. It's that silhouetted picture, you see, of the father walking with the little boy or the little girl and holding hands. He said come on, I'll show you, I'll show you how I can, I'll take you there.

Frank Naea: 42:23

I've been really enjoying the, the benediction or the doxology there, you know, and because it's so, I realized that there's so much more to it. It's summarized for us, but it's, but it's for me, it's. It's been summarized and I've just used it as a, as a throwaway quote. But it's this, you see, made the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. And all of a sudden now, after reading Ephesians 2, grace has much, much, much, much, much, much, much more. You see, there are things that have been prepared in advance, because that's the nature of sonship, discipleship is you are having to accumulate and acquire, and line upon line and precipitate upon, precipitate and and step by step and incrementally, and linear and logically. But you see, that's not the nature of faith, because this grace is affordable to you now and now and now and today, and today and today.

Frank Naea: 43:39

If you hear my voice and if you don't refer back to the last preacher who said this, that may sound really lovely, and don't get me wrong, this is not about preachers. But you see, man shall not live by bread alone. We shall live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. So today, if you hear him speak, hold him to his word. If you hear him speak, even in response to your question, he says ask me, please ask me. If you're not hearing something, if you're not in a conversation, ask me, so that the answer that I give to you will be the grace that's sufficient for you not just to be saved, but to be raised up and then to be seated in heavenly places. That is called rest, not to be raised up and get your armor on and go have a swipe at some.

Frank Naea: 44:47

You know, I saw a new year post where somebody had put up the picture of Jesus with the disciples in the garden and the soldier comes and Peter goes, you know, and chops his ear off. And so this was their new year post. They said Happy New Year. And. But you see, the reason why that stood out to me is because Jesus said if my kingdom was of this world then we would fight. But it's not.

Frank Naea: 45:24

Our kingdom is a kingdom of grace, you see, and he has left nothing undone. There is a all sufficiency of provision in terms of wisdom and supply, and the timeliness of words and season. And you know, and may the grace of our Lord, jesus Christ, may the fullness of it be seen and understood as being wholly available to you, and the love of God, our Father, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit. You see, this is the one who has been, has been assigned to walk with us. You see, this is a different expression of grace Says that he will lead you into all things I love, being saved, but all that has done, you see, fundamentally, it's opened the door into the real world.

Frank Naea: 46:42

And what did Derek Prince say? He said I have just come into this revelation of the Father's love and up until now I had no understanding of it. I spoke three times on this on the Father, heart of God and the love of the Father. He said, but I had no understanding, no revelation of it. He said and I believe that the church has camped around the door for so long there is much, much, much, much more. But there's much, much more is actually in him. It's in him.

Frank Naea: 47:21

You know, I used to. This may sound ridiculous, but I remember the inheritance of the Levite, and your inheritance shall be the Lord himself. And I thought, oh rats, we didn't get any land, we didn't get any houses. Your inheritance will be the Lord himself. You know. Hallelujah, praise the Lord. But you see, everything is held together in him. It's the fullness of the gift he's not, having not withheld his son. How much more will he not Give to us? All things he's already freely given to us, the most valuable thing that he has to offer. Everything else is really chocolate bun, everything else is just stuff. I've given you the best of the best of the best, and there's more.

Frank Naea: 48:36

You see, faith is the only thing that can take us through that door, to apply that initial grace so that we actually move into the next grace. Oh, father, raise me up. See, there is. There will come a time, and I remember we used to pray this and quote it to each other. You know, a rise, shine, for your light has come, and the glory of the Lord has risen upon you. You know what that is, don't you? It's the experiencing of the next grace. This is not about salvation. It is his rise. Shine, for your light has come and the glory of the Lord has risen upon you. You see, everything is becoming personal, because that's the nature of love.

Frank Naea: 49:43

It's not just a warm fuzzy in the room. You know, even Peter Jackson will tell you that there were individual manifestations all around the room, some of them really quite different from the other, but everybody was encountering him personally and they went away knowing that he had touched me. They maybe they didn't even remember the messages or something about, oh, something, and some of the story. They remember real, a slither or a little piece or a part of the story, but the thing that's indelibly etched in them, you see, is that is that he came face to face and touched them. So may this grace continue to upset your apple carton.

Frank Naea: 50:40

It's a necessary part of it. You see, peter is having to realize that everything he thinks he knows, he doesn't know. All I know is I just had this thing just explode inside of me. You are the Christ, you are the son of the living God. And Jesus says there it is. See, today, if you hear my voice and harden not your heart, don't go back to the groove, don't go back to the oh, let's run it through the seven. You know seven principles, or the four keys, or the three wisdoms of whatever that is. You know the simplicity of the child is today, if you hear my voice and harden not your heart, you don't have to incrementally, little by little and piece by piece, get free. You can be free today. Now I know that the children of Israel take 40 years. They take 40 years of what was an 11-day journey.

Frank Naea: 52:00

But faith exercises like this. You see, jesus says you see this temple, you can raise it to the ground and I will rebuild it in three days. And he's talking about himself in reference to the new temple. And somebody says in fact, that's what it says in my Bible. Somebody says do you know how long it took to build this temple? 46 years. And I just burst out laughing when I had this little conversation and I heard that. And I burst out laughing because at that stage I had been a Christian and been in ministry for 46 years, and Jesus says three days, and when he says it they are three days that are yet to come, because in our context they are three days that have already been. You see, and you know how you access those three days by faith. I believe that it's enough and there's a grace that will raise you up, is a grace that will seat you, just like Jesus is seated the right hand of the Father. He's restored to the bosom of the Father and he rules from there and everything he does is from that place. And that's where we're invited to come.

Frank Naea: 53:41

We're not just navigating our way at the foot of the cross. You do understand that nobody lives there at the foot of the cross, and the reason why they don't live there is because it's a rubbish dump. It's an unclean place outside of the city. Nobody lives there. You just take your junk and your crap and you and you dump it and you leave it behind. We all know that place because it's where we went to die, but in him we live and move and have our being not at the cross. I've lived in that default loop for a long time.

Frank Naea: 54:34

But you see, the grace for salvation is finished. It is finished, it is done. Now move on to the next grace. That's going to take you to a different place in me, totally different place. I will raise you now. If you got all those prophetic words, if you got all those things, those promises, those things that you believe that he said to you over a long period of time, seems so far the head they are, how are you going to do that's with me, because I'm all done, I'm all out of trying. In the same way that you came to Ronto, to to Toronto, and poured out your spirit, I believe you're going to do the same thing again. But there is something that you've prepared in advance for us every spiritual gift that's necessary for you, every preparation I've already done in advance and it's waiting for you. It's just that it's going to take a faith and a grace to, and he is that grace, and so that's why all of it is processed in our heart.

Frank Naea: 55:54

If any man thinks that he can figure out how I've got, I've got it now. Yes. If any man thinks that he knows anything, he does not yet know how he ought to know, because the knowing that he's talking about isn't the process of being taught or told or reminded or repeated or disciplined or trained. That's not. That's not. The knowing that's talking about this is on this rock, this rock of revelation. Revelation is not a mystical, mysterious, weird, weak, you know, smoky thing. According to the word of God, according to what Jesus said, revelation is a rock and you can build on. So today, if you hear his voice, regardless of whether he's reminding you of something that he promised a long time ago, say yes, lord, because the promises of God are all yay and amen, simply because you see, in him there's a grace for us to enter into it. It doesn't look like Galatian grace. I'm good, now I've got over the cross bit, I've got over the dying bit. Now I've got it. Sars, you see, that's.

Frank Naea: 57:29

That's the other thief, this the second thief, or maybe he's the first thing. I don't know what order they come in. You know, maybe he's the first thing, but he says when you enter into your kingdom, remember me. And Jesus says today, whether that man understands it or not, he has just accessed grace number one and that grace number number one is going to take him straight to grace number two, and I don't know if you notice that there is no timeframe between those two things. But he is going to be risen up in about two hours.

Frank Naea: 58:25

Not bad for a thief. No Sunday school, no Bible class, no baptism, no I there's. No, the words there don't say. And he humbled himself and gave his heart to Jesus and he said the sinners prayer and he cried out to the soldiers. Doesn't say any of that. See, part of what I've imbibe in my teaching is that I've I've learned all these other things, and what his father's having to take me through is. He's so frank. Who told you that? Who told you that? And I know you. You may have been holding on to it for a long while. You know you. It may have been, you know, I think it's in Matthew 6. It says Florida has been said amongst you.

Frank Naea: 59:19

You know that that this is, this is the way to do things he said, but I tell you that's not what I said, and so. But it's constantly this reference, you see, to the fact that we have accumulated bits and pieces from all these different places because they sound good, they sound right. The problem is, you see, when you encounter with this primal scream, is that it all sounds right but there's no life in it. I have tried and tried and tried to practice those things, but freedom has never and I haven't prevailed and I haven't. So we do this most ungodly thing we give up. What a wonderful beginning we surrender to him.

Frank Naea: 1:00:12

If any man thinks that thinking is the way to know me, he does not yet know that revelation is the rock that builds, and it builds here. Truck driver, 20 odd years, newly married, brand new baby, after 10 minutes of sitting in this revelation, stands up and says to everybody in the class I just realized something, I am free. And he shouts it out loud and tears run down his face. And you know, it would be a great disservice for me to provide him with every theological hurdle that he hasn't jumped yet and line them up in front of him. Today. Same thing applies to us.

Frank Naea: 1:01:10

If you hear my voice and harden, not your heart, father, come speak into my circumstance, my family, my marriage, my home, my finances. Come and speak into me, into. Is my faith really faith, or is it just an idea? Is it just a way of thinking that I've assumed as a gift of faith from you? So that's what's been rattling my cage just lately. I thought surely I have unlearned all those other things. Surely I'm now getting onto the good side of the ledger, and he just reminded me it's not a ledger, it's childlikeness of our hearts that say you know, really, I don't know. I think I know, but I don't know. So even what I think I know. Father, can you speak here? Can you reveal to my heart that's what we discovered in the centrality of the heart, that that's where all of this takes place? I don't even have to convince myself. Come on, frank, you can do better. Yeah, I've done better, and it's really. It's put me in the in the custard more times than not.

Frank Naea: 1:02:47

So May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ it says. This grace is so absolutely amazing. You know what verse seven says that you will not begin to understand it. It will begin to reveal itself to you and the significance of it in the age to come. Actually, it's his ages.

Frank Naea: 1:03:16

So May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, our Father, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, the one who is assigned to go with us, who will lead us into all things, ask him. Ask him if you haven't heard the Father speak to you lately, annoy him. You know, you ever see little kids do that. They go up and say Papa, papa, papa, Papa, or they grab your finger and they, you know, papa, papa, papa, papa, papa. But they keep going till they get an answer.

Frank Naea: 1:04:04

Keep it simple and let love come and visit you in as many different ways as you ask him to. My daughter is falling in love and it's absolutely wonderful to watch and she inspires me to. You know, dan, just chill out. You know, have a cup of tea, sit down. You know, start day, don't try and figure it all out, just let love love you. There was a grace. That's sufficient, and it's not just a salvation, it's much, much more so. Ephesians two versus one to 10. You know so. So I think that's that's me.

Frank Naea: 1:05:05

But I just wanted to say that part of the reason why we're looking at coming to Canada is because my wife's born in the US and I have my great grandfather as Canadian, and he came from England, settled in. My great great grandfather came from England, settled in Ontario, in a place, a town called Flesherton. His surname is Flesher and so he was the mayor of the city and so his. He has three sons, and one of them came to New Zealand and married my great grandmother. So there's a little bit of Canadian me, you know, if you prick me over here and maple syrup comes out, so it's a sure sign. So look forward to seeing you hopefully in the future. And, yes, may this grace enlarge, increase and extend and and let it take you into new places and Bless you.